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	<title>Comments on: The answer to &#8220;What&#8217;s a brand?&#8221; in the Age of Persuasion</title>
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		<title>By: Theo Yates</title>
		<link>http://www.begtodiffer.com/2010/11/age-of-persuasion/comment-page-1/#comment-50042</link>
		<dc:creator>Theo Yates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Nov 2010 18:04:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice post, Dennis.  

I continue to be entertained by the (good and the bad) branding efforts of many businesses.  Terry O’Reilly has a knack for exposing and explaining how and when the branding message works and when it does not.  I have been a fan of  his &#039;The Age of Persuasion&#039; radio program for some time and I am glad to see that he has put out this book.  Thank you for shining a light on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice post, Dennis.  </p>
<p>I continue to be entertained by the (good and the bad) branding efforts of many businesses.  Terry O’Reilly has a knack for exposing and explaining how and when the branding message works and when it does not.  I have been a fan of  his &#8216;The Age of Persuasion&#8217; radio program for some time and I am glad to see that he has put out this book.  Thank you for shining a light on it.</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis Van Staalduinen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dennis Van Staalduinen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Nov 2010 17:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ssshhh! I&#039;m trying to help poor Terry O&#039;Reilly feel like he came up with this by himself, and you go pointing out that I&#039;ve been saying similar stuff all along! 

So yes, it&#039;s true. I&#039;ve always had two parts to my &quot;Good Jazz&quot; of a great brand (did I mention that in my talk?) - a left brain and a right brain, a yin and a yang, an anchor and a sail. 

But really, what I love about the PROMISE+DIFFER formula is not that it&#039;s revolutionary, but that it makes good plain sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ssshhh! I&#8217;m trying to help poor Terry O&#8217;Reilly feel like he came up with this by himself, and you go pointing out that I&#8217;ve been saying similar stuff all along! </p>
<p>So yes, it&#8217;s true. I&#8217;ve always had two parts to my &#8220;Good Jazz&#8221; of a great brand (did I mention that in my talk?) &#8211; a left brain and a right brain, a yin and a yang, an anchor and a sail. </p>
<p>But really, what I love about the PROMISE+DIFFER formula is not that it&#8217;s revolutionary, but that it makes good plain sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis Van Staalduinen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dennis Van Staalduinen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Nov 2010 17:09:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice. I love your image of &quot;thickening layers&quot; - the additional complicating factors branders add to make themselves seem smart and clever,  when the really clever brander is the one who removes layers.

However, lest I appear thick myself, I&#039;ve never felt that the equation Brand=Promise was enough - even if you nuance it by saying it must be RELEVANT, emotionally compelling, or whatever (all of which are part of the picture). 

One of my clients right now was trying to build a brand around this promise: Quality, Service, and Price. All good, and definitely relevant. But not different - either within their industry or across industries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice. I love your image of &#8220;thickening layers&#8221; &#8211; the additional complicating factors branders add to make themselves seem smart and clever,  when the really clever brander is the one who removes layers.</p>
<p>However, lest I appear thick myself, I&#8217;ve never felt that the equation Brand=Promise was enough &#8211; even if you nuance it by saying it must be RELEVANT, emotionally compelling, or whatever (all of which are part of the picture). </p>
<p>One of my clients right now was trying to build a brand around this promise: Quality, Service, and Price. All good, and definitely relevant. But not different &#8211; either within their industry or across industries.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Moizer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Moizer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Nov 2010 15:58:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dennis,
 great. I forget whether it was a &quot;branding&quot; or something else talk you gave many years ago where you said your &quot;brand&quot; (or whatever it was) had to have a positioning statement (to anchor you) and then a differentiater (what makes you special). Hard to do, but very powerful when accomplished.

Don&#039;t know who came up with it first, but if something is good to go for you *and* Terry then it&#039;s gotta be good.

cheers,
 Andrew</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dennis,<br />
 great. I forget whether it was a &#8220;branding&#8221; or something else talk you gave many years ago where you said your &#8220;brand&#8221; (or whatever it was) had to have a positioning statement (to anchor you) and then a differentiater (what makes you special). Hard to do, but very powerful when accomplished.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t know who came up with it first, but if something is good to go for you *and* Terry then it&#8217;s gotta be good.</p>
<p>cheers,<br />
 Andrew</p>
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		<title>By: Geoff Marko</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geoff Marko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Nov 2010 15:55:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is exactly how we have been defining &quot;brand&quot; for years, only in simpler form: &quot;The promise you make to your customer.&quot; 

People buy emotionally and justify logically. So a properly constructed definition of that promise establishes the &quot;how you differ&quot; by being emotionally relevant and engaging, and then DEFENDABLE (that is, does only your company actually fulfill what it promises, and is it the only company fulfilling that promise?)

As simple as it is to say, it takes a lot of &quot;roll up your sleeves&quot; work that most people just don&#039;t have the time, discipline, or methodology to do properly. 

I&#039;ve seen this discussion a lot recently, more from the point that marketers and brand pros are adding to the noise and confusion by mixing and matching or &quot;inventing&quot; new definitions, or adding layers of &quot;Brand things&quot;: Statement, Essence, Promise, Magic, Mantra, Proposition that seem to dilute the very basis they establish. They will arrive at a fairly good Promise statement, and then add these thickened layers which then start to overlay words and ideas on the original Promise, with nuances (or in some cases I&#039;ve seen, BOLD contrasts) that actually change meaning. 

I get it, we&#039;re all trying to create the ultimate proprietary way (with a cool name) to arrive at a brand and market those services, but in the end we are sometimes hurting our own cause.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is exactly how we have been defining &#8220;brand&#8221; for years, only in simpler form: &#8220;The promise you make to your customer.&#8221; </p>
<p>People buy emotionally and justify logically. So a properly constructed definition of that promise establishes the &#8220;how you differ&#8221; by being emotionally relevant and engaging, and then DEFENDABLE (that is, does only your company actually fulfill what it promises, and is it the only company fulfilling that promise?)</p>
<p>As simple as it is to say, it takes a lot of &#8220;roll up your sleeves&#8221; work that most people just don&#8217;t have the time, discipline, or methodology to do properly. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen this discussion a lot recently, more from the point that marketers and brand pros are adding to the noise and confusion by mixing and matching or &#8220;inventing&#8221; new definitions, or adding layers of &#8220;Brand things&#8221;: Statement, Essence, Promise, Magic, Mantra, Proposition that seem to dilute the very basis they establish. They will arrive at a fairly good Promise statement, and then add these thickened layers which then start to overlay words and ideas on the original Promise, with nuances (or in some cases I&#8217;ve seen, BOLD contrasts) that actually change meaning. </p>
<p>I get it, we&#8217;re all trying to create the ultimate proprietary way (with a cool name) to arrive at a brand and market those services, but in the end we are sometimes hurting our own cause.</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis Van Staalduinen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dennis Van Staalduinen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Nov 2010 02:33:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, and I&#039;ll have to admit, I&#039;ve been fishtailing around the edges of a definition myself for years. I&#039;ve been much better at talking about what a brand ISN&#039;T than what it IS - mostly that it ISN&#039;T something you can own or fully control. 

The nice thing about this definition is that both parts are owned by the customer, not the brander. Promises are owned by the recipient, not the maker, and differentiation can&#039;t exist in a vacuum: it MUST be judged  relative to its counterpoints.

There is no platonic ideal of your brand or mine hovering around in space waiting to be discovered. It needs to be worked out, negotiated into existence, debated on, and as much as possible, agreed on between real people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, and I&#8217;ll have to admit, I&#8217;ve been fishtailing around the edges of a definition myself for years. I&#8217;ve been much better at talking about what a brand ISN&#8217;T than what it IS &#8211; mostly that it ISN&#8217;T something you can own or fully control. </p>
<p>The nice thing about this definition is that both parts are owned by the customer, not the brander. Promises are owned by the recipient, not the maker, and differentiation can&#8217;t exist in a vacuum: it MUST be judged  relative to its counterpoints.</p>
<p>There is no platonic ideal of your brand or mine hovering around in space waiting to be discovered. It needs to be worked out, negotiated into existence, debated on, and as much as possible, agreed on between real people.</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis Van Staalduinen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dennis Van Staalduinen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Nov 2010 02:24:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll agree with you on this: that there are many great brand managers and leaders out there, and I&#039;ve had the privilege to work with a few, who are very clear about their own working definitions of brand. They just get it, and it shows in the powerful brands they build. 

Which is why I&#039;m hoping to spread the word about Terry O&#039;Reilly - who doesn&#039;t just spout off about brands, but is a master in his own field of radio advertising as well as thinking deeply about the cultural *meaning* of what he does.

I&#039;ll also agree that we probably spend too much time debating finer points of theory when there&#039;s real world work to be done. That&#039;s why I&#039;m pleased somebody has nailed down a solid practical definition like this one. It works and I can use it to help real world clients solve problems. 
 
But I can&#039;t agree that this knowledge is commonplace, or that the &quot;debate&quot; is just for the chatter-sphere. Otherwise there would be more well crafted brands than bad ones - and we both know that just isn&#039;t the case. 

Otherwise we&#039;d both be out of a job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll agree with you on this: that there are many great brand managers and leaders out there, and I&#8217;ve had the privilege to work with a few, who are very clear about their own working definitions of brand. They just get it, and it shows in the powerful brands they build. </p>
<p>Which is why I&#8217;m hoping to spread the word about Terry O&#8217;Reilly &#8211; who doesn&#8217;t just spout off about brands, but is a master in his own field of radio advertising as well as thinking deeply about the cultural *meaning* of what he does.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll also agree that we probably spend too much time debating finer points of theory when there&#8217;s real world work to be done. That&#8217;s why I&#8217;m pleased somebody has nailed down a solid practical definition like this one. It works and I can use it to help real world clients solve problems. </p>
<p>But I can&#8217;t agree that this knowledge is commonplace, or that the &#8220;debate&#8221; is just for the chatter-sphere. Otherwise there would be more well crafted brands than bad ones &#8211; and we both know that just isn&#8217;t the case. </p>
<p>Otherwise we&#8217;d both be out of a job.</p>
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		<title>By: Alison Gresik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alison Gresik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Nov 2010 01:43:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I for one love this definition. It&#039;s so elegant, concrete and useful. 

I&#039;ve been *working* with a brand consultant for years and I still couldn&#039;t easily articulate what a brand was. That little formula will help a lot with the brand work I&#039;m doing in Action Studio.

Thanks, Dennis!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I for one love this definition. It&#8217;s so elegant, concrete and useful. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been *working* with a brand consultant for years and I still couldn&#8217;t easily articulate what a brand was. That little formula will help a lot with the brand work I&#8217;m doing in Action Studio.</p>
<p>Thanks, Dennis!</p>
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		<title>By: David Sandusky</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Sandusky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Nov 2010 19:12:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More people know (and have always known) what a brand is and the process of building/sustaining one than I think people realize in social media land.  It is easy to define, not so easy to do, and this definition debate is reserved for Marketing, Journalism, authors and PR folks who are generally defining brand online for their own content. Seems to be a fun debate. Meanwhile, great brand managers/leaders are helping marketers market a brand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More people know (and have always known) what a brand is and the process of building/sustaining one than I think people realize in social media land.  It is easy to define, not so easy to do, and this definition debate is reserved for Marketing, Journalism, authors and PR folks who are generally defining brand online for their own content. Seems to be a fun debate. Meanwhile, great brand managers/leaders are helping marketers market a brand.</p>
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